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	<title>Comments on: Why the Writers Guild strike may threaten digital rights on-line (or &#8220;Defending Mr. Moneybags&#8221;).</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on feature film, new media, and living in the digital wild west.</description>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.bradfox.com/blog/2007/11/why-the-writers-guild-strike-may-define-a-medium-and-not-necessarily-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I wasn't really clear in my response. I wasn't saying their aren't residuals for all television - I was talking about a royalty for first-run television or theatrical distribtuion dependant on views. 

Let me re-phrase. IMHO "Television" and "New Media" are becoming increasingly unseperable. Especially as IPTV and fibre-optic to home connections increase there's going to be ever less distinction between the two. To put a per-viewer royalty on once (and that is what we're talking about with new-media, unless the WGA is really characterizing things differently behind closed doors than they are in the news) but not the other changes the dynamic for independant producers. Similarly, I'm not convinced that new media (or even DVD now a days) is an "additional" revenue stream, it's just reallocated from a time when everyone was watching network television or in cinemas and revenues from those channels were a lot higher. 

Again though, I'm not arguing against profit sharing with the writers - I'm just arguing for a system that's based on all net profits, in all media up front. John Rogers points out that's tricky because of the accounting that distributors involve - but that's an issue that affects producers as much as writers (if not moreso).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I wasn&#8217;t really clear in my response. I wasn&#8217;t saying their aren&#8217;t residuals for all television - I was talking about a royalty for first-run television or theatrical distribtuion dependant on views. </p>
<p>Let me re-phrase. IMHO &#8220;Television&#8221; and &#8220;New Media&#8221; are becoming increasingly unseperable. Especially as IPTV and fibre-optic to home connections increase there&#8217;s going to be ever less distinction between the two. To put a per-viewer royalty on once (and that is what we&#8217;re talking about with new-media, unless the WGA is really characterizing things differently behind closed doors than they are in the news) but not the other changes the dynamic for independant producers. Similarly, I&#8217;m not convinced that new media (or even DVD now a days) is an &#8220;additional&#8221; revenue stream, it&#8217;s just reallocated from a time when everyone was watching network television or in cinemas and revenues from those channels were a lot higher. </p>
<p>Again though, I&#8217;m not arguing against profit sharing with the writers - I&#8217;m just arguing for a system that&#8217;s based on all net profits, in all media up front. John Rogers points out that&#8217;s tricky because of the accounting that distributors involve - but that&#8217;s an issue that affects producers as much as writers (if not moreso).</p>
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		<title>By: Dayv</title>
		<link>http://www.bradfox.com/blog/2007/11/why-the-writers-guild-strike-may-define-a-medium-and-not-necessarily-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, under the WGA, writers do get a royalty for television reruns -- at a far better rate than they currently get for DVD and video sales.&#160; As traditional television declines, an essential portion of their livelihood is disappearing without similar compensation from the media which are replacing it.

Television residuals are done on a per dollar basis, not a per viewer one.&#160; The same is true for DVD/VHS.&#160; In most cases, the same would be true for the "new media."

You should read some of the links on this in MGK's blog.&#160; &lt;a href="http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-strike-ii.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;This post from John Rogers&lt;/a&gt; is great place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, under the WGA, writers do get a royalty for television reruns &#8212; at a far better rate than they currently get for DVD and video sales.&nbsp; As traditional television declines, an essential portion of their livelihood is disappearing without similar compensation from the media which are replacing it.</p>
<p>Television residuals are done on a per dollar basis, not a per viewer one.&nbsp; The same is true for DVD/VHS.&nbsp; In most cases, the same would be true for the &#8220;new media.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should read some of the links on this in MGK&#8217;s blog.&nbsp; <a href="http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-strike-ii.html" rel="nofollow">This post from John Rogers</a> is great place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.bradfox.com/blog/2007/11/why-the-writers-guild-strike-may-define-a-medium-and-not-necessarily-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless I'm mistaken about the WGA (and I believe it's similar to the WGC agereement which I know well) Writers don't get royalties on "television" or "film", just on DVD or Video direct sales. 

Try to imagine how Televison would work with a "per viewer" royalty and then think about how new media and traditional medias are starting to converge and you get some sense of what I'm worried about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I&#8217;m mistaken about the WGA (and I believe it&#8217;s similar to the WGC agereement which I know well) Writers don&#8217;t get royalties on &#8220;television&#8221; or &#8220;film&#8221;, just on DVD or Video direct sales. </p>
<p>Try to imagine how Televison would work with a &#8220;per viewer&#8221; royalty and then think about how new media and traditional medias are starting to converge and you get some sense of what I&#8217;m worried about.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayv</title>
		<link>http://www.bradfox.com/blog/2007/11/why-the-writers-guild-strike-may-define-a-medium-and-not-necessarily-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny, everything I've read about the writer's strike as it relates to "new media" has said that the writers want the same thing on new media that they get from old media: a share of revenue.&#160; If the media in question is really distributed for free, then that percentage of nothing works out to... carry the one... hang on, let me get a pencil...

Note, of course, that if the viewer has to watch paid advertising in order to see something at no cost to them, it's not really being given away for free.

The only point at which this turns into a "number of times viewed" argument is when the pay per viewing becomes muddied by things like subscription models.&#160; E.g., if people could pay $50 a month for unlimited itunes downloads, how do we track the royalties owed.&#160; The product was sold, but not on anything like a per-unit basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, everything I&#8217;ve read about the writer&#8217;s strike as it relates to &#8220;new media&#8221; has said that the writers want the same thing on new media that they get from old media: a share of revenue.&nbsp; If the media in question is really distributed for free, then that percentage of nothing works out to&#8230; carry the one&#8230; hang on, let me get a pencil&#8230;</p>
<p>Note, of course, that if the viewer has to watch paid advertising in order to see something at no cost to them, it&#8217;s not really being given away for free.</p>
<p>The only point at which this turns into a &#8220;number of times viewed&#8221; argument is when the pay per viewing becomes muddied by things like subscription models.&nbsp; E.g., if people could pay $50 a month for unlimited itunes downloads, how do we track the royalties owed.&nbsp; The product was sold, but not on anything like a per-unit basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Mightygodking.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oh, Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.bradfox.com/blog/2007/11/why-the-writers-guild-strike-may-define-a-medium-and-not-necessarily-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Mightygodking.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oh, Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can argue against the strike in good faith (and Brad Fox has done so, both here in the comments and at his own joint), even though I won&#8217;t agree with you. But the line of argument advanced above - and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can argue against the strike in good faith (and Brad Fox has done so, both here in the comments and at his own joint), even though I won&#8217;t agree with you. But the line of argument advanced above - and [...]</p>
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